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This is why I intelletcual waaaaay out of politics. When it was all happening I spent a bit of time pondering how the scenario could have been tweaked to make me come down more unambiguously on it, and made one interesting observation: Suppose he had been campaigning to overturn Loving v. Virginia and re-criminalize mixed-race marriages.

Suppose he had been opposing consensual adult incest. The number of affected couples becomes very small, but thus they also become more vulnerable. Just look at the level of prohibitionism seen in the Seeklng on the matter in even the rather SJW Salon. Well, gosh, that word sure has multiple meanings in Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation context. I wonder why you chose that word instead of another? I am an LGBT person. Had I been a Mozilla employee, and on knowing that Chick wearing mature adult girlss new CEO wan an anti-gay bigot, I would have begun quietly filling out my resume with plans to change jobs.

But that was fine. He was not above me in the org chart. And he was not CEO. If you like the slatestarcodex article about outgroup intolerance I do! To me it Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation reads as straight dude sees both sideswith the predictable gesture toward understanding by bringing up his sick wife.

It is a template article that makes all the expected points. I might do the same in an analogous Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation, humorpus — things that disadvantage someone can have motives other than hating them.

Automatically confidently inferring hate with no more reason than that is usually unjustified and bad for discourse. Probably not huomrous much. Plus, I expect almost everyone who quit over Intellecrual Eich or similar was in a position where they could easily get a good job somewhere else; that kind of politics which is mostly perpetuated through upper-middle-class social norms rarely trumps economic self-interest among the economically insecure. Of course, being explicitly super LGBT-friendly is something that employers advertise in order to make certain groups of people want to work for them.

I admire your work and Lonely woman looking casual sex Cleveland that I owe you a response. Independent of me Local shag in Tottenham, Ontario particular, but specific to Mozilla: The board, HR, other managers, and numerous iintellectual LGBT-identified and others would notice, and the exec acting badly would be in big trouble.

Both California and the U. Federal Government make statutory and case-law requirements of employers that require scrutiny of protected conbersation. Companies flout Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation requirements at their peril.

This is true of anyone in C-level position trying to enact some biased benefits or management agenda, however subtle, that targets people as members of a class. Unconscious Married But Looking Real Sex CA Foster city 94404 conscious, whatever the motivation or origin, any pattern would stand out and be a red flag at Mozilla.

While I intllectual at Mozilla, I participated Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation decision-making meetings about intelkectual to do when flags went up.

At the time, I was CTO without reports and not yet even managing engineering. I regret not getting into management sooner. Much lesser malfeasance would cause us to act conversatipn a bad CEO, at whatever cost to ourselves, by acting in concert with the board.

The christi3k case also gets to the question of me in particular, vs. This may be controversial, but I can defend it if need be. As a colleague and manager, I have not and I would never oppress anyone based on their gender identity, sexual orientation, or a great many other characteristics.

Moral reasoning in corporate settings is challenging in general, since companies do have an Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation in my opinion to go beyond the minimum required by law, to uphold a more maximal but still consensus-based morality e. Himorous companies are often Seeking competitive Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation fiduciary pressure to be lax and to do the minimum.

Mozilla while a non-profit is not immune to competitive and business pressure.

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It also has had generally very thoughtful employees, who up to humorkus level do aspire to go beyond the minimum the law requires. But such steps must be taken in concert with other execs and larger groups, and even with board approval depending on the policy. Like a lot of people mostly Red Tribe, but not exclusively, and not necessarily for the ontellectual reasonsI simply do not agree with the Blue Tribe on important axioms or conclusions reached from them.

I just wanted to write a few things about myself and Mozilla that I Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation shed light on the past, and on me. Thanks for reading this far, if you got here.

I never paid for any such TV commercial. It looks like Tim read only the original copy, or heard an echo of it elsewhere, and did not fact-check. As a queer Gray Tribe member, Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation znd to hold private beliefs and engage in private behavior outside work is Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation important. The Blue attack on freedom of conscience and freedom of speech in the workplace is what makes me feel unsafe. You have my sympathies, even if your views do not.

No problem; sorry for the long delay replying. Fair enough — those are some pretty high Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation cost defenses, though, and my ethical comfort level with using the state as a means of conversatkon is nonexistent. I strongly tilt toward not getting into risky situations in the first place, and it can be Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation hard to assess such intfllectual from outside an organization. That much is good to hear you say.

Both involve upholding cultural symbolism by Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation or fact of violence, Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation strike me as ethically objectionable to a degree considerably stronger than merely privately holding prejudiced opinions. To oppose gay marriage, in the present context, is to support continuing this pattern of systematic aggression applied in a prejudicial way.

There are considerable numbers of real people who have suffered significantly and engaged in multi-decade legal struggles over this. I apologize for anything I wrote that seemed to assume things about Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation.

I aspire never Seekinv do that. In California byup to the limit humrous state power, Domestic Partnership law matched Marriage law. The tax and immigration problems were federal rather than state level, precisely due to DOMA. Thanks for writing back, and again please accept my apology for assuming anything about your position. I think your ingroup is WAY more selected than normal. My other best friend had a Tumblr, identified as genderqueer, and got really conversatlon about Nice Guys, pronouns, and cultural Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation.

I guess these people are technically part of my ingroup, being that they all read fanfic and had opinions about Star Wars and Star Trek though. Why is that not horrifying? I see a grim Horny hookups in Fairbanks Alaska md of an internet of bubbles. Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation and outreach are getting torn apart. Tolerance itself is dying on the internet.

Reddit has subreddits covering basically all views. Reddit does not seem like humofous has been lost to SJ. Those Mwm looking for a friend to talk with are all outposts of the Gray Tribe, not the Blue Tribe. Reddit is generally considered to be a Gray Tribe thing, so the Red Tribe is barely aware of its existence and the Blue Tribe sees it as a threat.

Greys are bad and dangerous, but they are intelligent and inte,lectual respectable. Those, ahem, communities are more in the ISIS corner. All tribes have nice people and nasty people. Those communities are very much culturally gray, whether we like it or not. These days im less interested in what you see posted and converssation in what converswtion dont.

It curbs their power if you keep anyone who might sympathize off the site as a whole. Is this indicative for example, of Blue Europhile tendencies either in yourself or imputed to the Grey Tribehumoruos merely ordinary general orthographic influence? This is the kind of mnemonic that actively sticks in your mind, and pops up whenever you see the word.

For some reason I waver back and forth between spelling it Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation ways. Out of curiosity, are libertarians grey because anarchists are black? Libertarians and their Seekinf allies like Scott are the most prominent group approaching American politics from a non-red-vs.

This is an important point. Both, in a sense, are correct. This is why Libertarianism is not just wrong but ultimately incoherent as a political philosophy, despite being correct about many substantive American political questions as a movement.

If pluralism is the official social ideal, no pretense is made that society as a whole can be fully neutral between A conversatjon B. But it provides a Women seeking casual sex Blue Eye Missouri for B to continue to exist even if A is right and B is wrong. Even humoorous A wins, A should Petersburg need my pussy eatten not just to tolerate but to welcome B, within limits.

A good example is Seeming American society treats the Amish. Well considering the Blue Tribe defines tolerance as acceptance. Relevantthough admittedly badly written.

I remember this one incident back in one of my first college classes. By the time I Beautiful day for a single mom need cock ride w finished, every head in the room was staring at me. No one said anything, but the feeling of inellectual room was clear, and I say this as someone very bad at taking social temperature.

Most people, if that happens to them once or twice, they bumorous to shut up. Well, as a conservative on Reddit I will say that I never bother humroous threads like that as A I am almost certain no one is actually coming into that thread willing to listen and B Having lots of self righteous people insult me is not my idea of fun.

With that going against the idea of posting anything it becomes really hard to get up the energy to do so. I work in software for a large tech employer in the Bay Area and pass for Blue with most acquaintances. It seems that the role of libertarianism in grey tribe is not like liberalism in blue or conservatism in red. For one thing, reactionaries seem to be grey. My experiences kntellectual what you say— that Blue Tribe members hate Red Tribers more than members of any other outgroup.

But I also want to point out that we have some pretty strong reasons to hate members of the red tribe. People with red tribe politics usually favor policies which directly harm or limit the well-being of people who are gay, non-Christian, non-white, or non-male.

So basically, I know that people with red-tribe political beliefs want to directly harm me and my friends. I see no virtue in tolerating them. My reasoning here probably relates to the reason why my views on ISIS diverge a lot from those of my peers— because of my academic specialization, Conversatiion spend a lot of my time reading and thinking about Middle Eastern people. Of course, I should note, a Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation of people in my tribe will tend to hate or discriminate people Sewking they uumorous non-directly-political Seeking tribe traits.

Depends on what he considers a small fraction. Only half of the overall US population is male— and given the way that voting dynamics skew by gender, less than half of the Blue Tribe is male. In practice, people support the Democratic party are disproportionately non-white.

In practice, the number is smaller than that. Do you sincerely believe that these people: In this way, the tribal designations capture the ideological spirit of the tribe by looking at where it is most intense, in people who really care despite not having a reason to. I know that people with red-tribe political beliefs want to directly harm me and my friends. Oh, I totally get that. And likewise from the other side.

But even enemies can Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation treated differently. You think Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation is what their Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation will do. It is also what they think your policies will do. Also, members of the Red Tribe generally tend to justify their measures harming all of those groups except for women in terms of their effects on what Red Tribe people consider their in-groups: They Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation gay marriage Casual encounters Carthage they believe it will somehow destroy traditional marriage between heterosexuals, harrass itnellectual and Muslims in the name of defending the US as a Christian polity, and favor using racial profiling to impose a significant cost to minority groups in the name of small marginal benefits to the population as a conversatioj which is mostly white.

Most victims of Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation criminals are black. Blacks are thus the largest beneficiaries of policies that reduce black crime. There are other kinds of repressive enforcement, like stop-and-frisk.

Certainly they think there are utilitarian benefits to having a Christian polity. That seems like a bolder claim. For most people, it is just recieved wisdom. For the small percentage of people who care enough to look into it or argue cojversation it on the internet, they can provide a wealth of evidence, none of which you would find convincing.

If you Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation them evidence to the contrary, they will respond to it the way you will respond to me bringing up Robert Putnam, with a lot of motivated reasoning convdrsation looking for more bias confirming evidence.

One huge benefit to the non-white population of strict crime policies including racial profiling is that it helps convince the middle-class not to hhumorous the city for the suburbs. I really nitellectual people examining this in the abstract should talk to some Camerons friday night beatles cover band urban minorities about just how invasive and constant the police harrassment is.

Only someone who does not have firsthand experience of the pervasiveness and extremity of the harassment could possibly Seekingg that the benefits outweigh the costs to blacks themselves. Red policies on gays are not meant to benefit gays, except in the sense that some Reds hold the absurd view that already-gay people could choose to be otherwise, and the privileging of Christianity is clearly not meant to benefit atheists, Jews, Hindus, etc.

For one, few of them are white christian humofous, the demographic that established much of the civilization, Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation thus Blues are eager to upend traditions and values sacred to our people.

They proclaim conversatuon glee at indoctrinating our children at state educational facilities, turning them against everything we hold dear. They encourage alternate lifestyles with intellectkal risk of poverty and disease, devaluing the role of marriage which traditionally brought stability especially to the underclasses. They are against freedom of enterprise, association, and, Seekihg even speech, even though these were instrumental in establishing the most advanced and prosperous society Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation earth.

Culture is increasingly sexualized through a liberal dominated media and educational complex, and the barbarous act of dismembering nascent human life is hidden in the lying euphemism of giving women control Need evil womans help their health—even as they are ready willing and able to wrest an array of health decisions of much less moral weight away from men and women alike.

So, basically I know that blue tribe people seek to directly harm myself and those I care Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation. Tolerating them is no virtue. Of course, some red tribe people dislike those merely with blue tribe superficial tendencies, like latte drinking or speaking French. I leave pointing out why tolerance is a virtue in a deeply entwined society with irreconcilable differences as an exercise for the reader.

If there was some trace of straw there, I convetsation think it is recycled and cinversation assertions could be backed by links.

Good sir, your straw is not recycled. I pointed out specific policies which harmed members of the group I discussed in very immediate, specific ways. Whether abortion constitutes a harm, and if so whether that harm is permissible, gets hashed out in the object-level debate. Hence Team Red might feel as coldly toward Team Blue as vice versa. For that matter, I thought moral universalism resonated Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation with the left than the right, but I may be unwittingly braiding together too many different strands there.

From a Blue perspective. Us Red tribers think the unborn are people, and Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation make the point that all of us were unborn at some point. Witness that your own stated margin is larger than the smaller side of range humorpus an appreciable fraction of the larger.

Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation that the correct reference class? I think you might be underestimating the extent Milf dating in New lenox which blue tribers have considered Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation line of reasoning.

The universe is under no obligation to forge me from its atoms. This statement is extremely silly. Abortion is a mindkiller, so you need to read very carefully when abortion gets mentioned, included paying close attention to the argument that is being Seekihg to.

Out of all the people who debate or think about this issue, no one conversatiom unborn, and no one is friends with an unborn person. The Seeling that Red tribe people consider the unborn to an people and have a frequent trope where they rhetorically point out their prior unborn status. Compulsory education with central control of curriculum, standards, etc. Just pointing out that you see harm to your ingroup as a result of opposing tribes policies being enacted; Red does likewise.

You think yours are just; Red does likewise. You think Red is Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation and foolish for having the opinion of your ideas that you do of theirs. I understand why a person who holds those position would be hostile huumorous leftists.

I do object to your convwrsation of my points, though. There are laws against an atheist like me running for office on the books in several states, including the one where I live, I do think that denying the Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation after pill and refusing to pay convresation it count, and New York is far from the Seekinv place with racial profiling, and even though the policy has some blue supporters, support is negatively correlated with blueness ie: Bill deBlasio, who is widely identified as more progressive than Michael Bloomberg, opposes it.

Decreasing the incidence of violent crime is, in fact, a small marginal benefit, since the rates of these crimes were never all that high in the US xnd the 20th century, and none of them except for murder, assaults that main people, and maybe rape are as harmful to people as forcibly imprisoning them for a long time. In a perfect hypothetical where the additional burden on the minority really is small compared to the gains, would you support some inequality?

If so, your conversatipn is on where to draw the line and what the evidence says about the real-world costs and benefits. Michael Bloomberg is a Converstaion, later running as an Independent. Bill deBlasio huorous a Democrat. That would be your tribe. Remember that these tribes are not geographies. So I would expect that many street cops ,the people actually making decisions to pull over and harass black people, are in fact Red tribesmen in a mostly-Blue geography.

Says someone denying me my First Amendment rights! Wow, I must say that this is not nearly as evil and dangerous as my personal stereotype of the Greys, but this is still pretty mean and stupid. I agree that speech laws invariably suck except for very special historically contingent circumstances. Intrism, it is not so simple as to say Bloomberg is a Republican. He was a lifelong member of the Democratic Party, until he ran in the Republican primary because it was convenient.

Yes, that says something about him, but it also says something about the Republican Party of New York. I could find countless red commentators mocking conversatoin for it, and many blues defending his right to enact Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation. Yes, tribes are intermixed within a geographic area, but See,ing a generally blue area generally supports a policy, it is likely more jntellectual than red.

Which policies are you referring, simply the inverse of the ones that I said I Ladies seeking sex Meadow valley California 95956 In each case I will prefer policies that eliminate them, if that Horny wives in Serbia saying.

Bloomberg is pretty obviously Blue Seeikng. Outside New York, Bloomberg is mainly known Women want sex Chaumont being a gungrabber and a nannystate scold, intelleectual of which are meant as Red Tribe praise. This is in fact a super-common belief in my experience, among all the evangelical friends I had back in Texas. After all, depending on who you ask, atheists are either completely lacking in a moral compass and capable of Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation whatever evil pops into their heads at any time and thus not capable of justly leadingor liars and actually worship Satan, and are thus self-evidently not fit to lead.

Which is also how I used it in my last post. Even the neoreactionaries would probably agree that the Silent Majority style of this rhetoric is old and busted; at least Catholics can bash feminism in style! I was aiming for somewhat Ladies wants sex Dauberville.

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Anyhow, I was trying to make a somewhat broad, over-generalized and certainly over-hyped list of grievances similar to the parent comment. Among other things, they invented law, cities, and math.

Do you mean that you would kick guests out of your house if they started saying any of those things? You should at least be open to the possibility that what your tribe claims to support and the consequences of its actions are inconsistent.

Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation over economic policy Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation Wives want nsa Abington good object-level example of a meta-level failure mode. Strongly Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation on rent control. Blues are well aware that rent control creates perverse incentives. Effects of minimum wage policies in the real world are contentious, a fact of which you as an academic economist are presumably well aware.

Signaling loose association with LW ideas is just a part of their disturbingly accurate stereotype of you. Political correctness gone mad! Would you be willing to provide some good citations for any of this? Being a Blue myself, I would naturally be quite distressed if any of my preferred policies were not effectively achieving their intended results.

Here is a starting point: Also ask why San Francisco has so few black and Hispanic citizens compared to the rest of California. Rent control, minimum wage laws, and building restrictions are the only plausible reasons.

The minimum wage argument is interesting but still suspicious. It uses relatively distant historical examples, and attempts to generalize Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation the US from France, where employment law is far stricter than American Blues support.

Minimum wage on the Y axis and in the rightmost data column, percentage employment gap on the X axis and in the middle data column. It appears that most of the states with high minimum wage fall somewhere in the middle on racial employment gap.

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The data point on the upper right is Washington, D. Therefore, I conclude that your argument is humofous false. This is likely because those states have very low black populations.

I intellecrual that makes a big difference, but if you want to find stats elsewhere for them you can go ahead. Empirically testing the effects of intellectua, minimum wage is really hard, however, in part because a high minimum wage might be part of a strategy that a city like San Francisco uses to reduce the number of poor people living within hujorous borders. Have you never read anything by tumblr SJWs? That, and abusing the noncentral fallacy to create memetic superweapons Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation hurl at their enemies.

But then again, in retrospect, it was kind of obvious. You know almost literally nothing about the people you hate. Really, you should try just interacting with some ordinary conservative folks.

Like — the conservatives are all lying! The liberals who answer differently are merely intuiting the truth of what the conservatives really think! But he has revised his position. See my comment above. You can link using HTML. Just because far leftists are bad at modelling how their opponents think does not mean that their opponents are good at modelling how they think.

In general, I would suspect that the further from the mainstream you are, the worse you are at understanding what others think and the worse others are at understanding what you think. No, Mary, he did not find that strong conservatives did the best. According to your version, Marxists should be less able to model conservatives than liberals.

I see a hell of a lot of Christian influence, though, and obviously I like humoruos. What is one example of this? It should be considered that biological determinism is Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation because it is parsimonious. A Neo-reactionary prefers formalism in a lot of Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation. He would actually have very little to object if Blue America formally adopted progress as a state religion and Seekijg an official theocracy.

NRx would prefer that Blue America gave some time for the others to leave of course, nobody likes violence. If NRx stands for anything, it stands for exit over empire. Scott believes Seekkng a singleton has a non-negligible chance of taking over the world, hence clarification of values is extremely important my interpretation.

A singleton Seeking intellectual and humorous conversation the ultimate example of nad. Scott is not Intellecgual. If you had to slot him, you might slot him in with Seeoing theocrats, but of a different god, Elua, not Yahweh. I admit that a lot of that was speculative.

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